Traditional Astrology Radio

A monthly podcast on ancient astrology by Chris Brennan

House Division in Hellenistic Astrology

The Houses in Hellenistic AstrologyThe topic of this month’s show is the issue of house division in Hellenistic astrology, and specifically the question of the role that whole sign houses and quadrant houses played in the early western astrological tradition.

This podcast was motivated by a recent discussion on the topic of house division on the Skyscript forum where I outlined my views on the development of the doctrine of house division.  The main question there was the extent to which whole sign houses was the primary system of house division in the early Hellenistic tradition, and what role quadrant houses played in delineations.

During the course of the show I outline my views on how quadrant houses evolved into a distinct form of topical house division by the late Hellenistic tradition, which was a departure from what was originally primarily a whole sign framework.

I think that quadrant houses were originally first introduced within the context of the length of life technique, as explicated by Nechepso and Petosiris, but this eventually led to astrologers experimenting with using the degree of the MC for topical purposes.  Eventually by the late Hellenistic tradition the astrologers appear to have been using quadrant houses as a secondary topical overlay on top of whole sign houses.

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Traditional Astrology News

I begin the show with a new segment on recent news in traditional astrology.  There I mention the following topics:

  • The release of Benjamin Dykes’ latest translation, The Book of the Nine Judges, which is a Medieval compilation of texts on horary astrology.
  • Demetra George is doing a retreat titled Traditional Astrology and Modern Practice in March with the South Texas Astrology Retreat group.  Please note that during the show I misspoke when I mentioned the URL for their website, which is actually: TexasAstrologyRetreat.org.
  • Ben, Demetra and I released the recording from our conference on traditional astrology in September.  You can purchase the Traditional Astrology in the 21st Century CD on my website.

If you have heard any other news in the world of traditional astrology that you think that I should mention during the next show then please send me an email and let me know.

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  1. james

     /  December 29, 2011

    Nice one Chris. I followed that discussion on Skyscript where you demonstrated a thorough knowledge of astrology.

    Best wishes for the coming year for you and your loved ones.

    james

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  2. Chris Brennan

     /  January 10, 2012

    Hey, thanks James!

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  3. Chris,

    I really enjoyed your podcast. You clearly have a mastery of the material and a great way of teaching it.

    Tony

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  4. Chris Brennan

     /  January 23, 2012

    Thanks a lot Tony! Glad to hear that you enjoyed it.

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  5. Vicki Widdowson

     /  October 4, 2012

    Very impressive and enlightening. Thank you.

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  6. Alshia

     /  November 15, 2012

    Is angularity used to determine the strength of the planets in Hellenistic Astrology?

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  7. Alshia

     /  November 24, 2012

    Thanks for replying Chris :)

    So was angularity only introduced after the Porphory quadrant house system was introduced, or was it already introduced when the Astrologers were using whole-sign?

    Correct me if I’m wrong, but the definition of angularity seems to imply a quadrant house framework. Right now, my current understanding of angularity is “the degree from which a planet follows a preceding angle.” And this would require a quadrant house framework for determination.

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  8. Chris Brennan

     /  November 24, 2012

    No, it was introduced originally within a whole sign house framework. The discussions from Hermes and Nechepso about what constitutes a “chrematistikos” place both talk about the signs themselves as if they were places, and angularity is one of the factors that they take into account. So, within that context they are talking about the four angles as signs.

    I think that a more accurate definition of angularity within the context of the early tradition is simply a sign that is of the same quadruplicity as the rising sign. In this way all four angles share something in common, although one is associated with the rising, one is setting, one is above the earth, and one is below the earth.

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  9. Alshia

     /  November 26, 2012

    I see.

    So for example, in natal charts, planets are considered angular as long as they are in the same quadruplicity as the rising sign, even if by quadrant houses they might be in cadent houses.

    So in the context of natal charts, does angularity confer anything else other than strength or conduciveness to business?

    It is often tricky to separate Hellenistic ideas from Medieaval ideas due to this difference in house system.

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    • Chris Brennan

       /  November 28, 2012

      Yes, that’s the idea.

      Being conducive to business is sort of the catch all term that covers everything. One of the additional things that Ptolemy talks about though is how quickly the significations manifest in the life of the native, with angular planets producing very early, succeedent planets with some delay, and cadent planets with much delay, if at all.

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  10. Alshia

     /  December 2, 2012

    Earlier you mentioned that in Hellenistic Astrology angularity signifies strength, activity and prominence.

    Ptolemy talked about how quickly significations manifest; is this due to the strength or activity? I have difficulty differentiating between the two. Imagine: if the planet were a person, and that person is strong at, say sports. Would he not naturally gravitate towards sporty activities?

    What are the other variables that affect the strength of the planet? In Medieaval, it’s the dignities of the planet. Is this also the case with Hellenistic? Is angularity the only thing that affects activity? I’ve never read about planets being more active except for being due to angularity.

    Prominence I assume refers to the impact delivered by the planet due to being visible in the sky during the time of birth.

    Or am I getting this wrong? It could be that prominence leads to strength, and strength leads to activity, and so they are all interchangeable terms.

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